. >> it would be the thing to happen for the united states government and the economy and it's been barely a ripple. heads of state oftentimes make symbolic sacrifices even if they don't balance the budget right away. the president can say i am not going to take a vacation. i'm going to stop golfing. but he has done none of that. the trappings that come with the american presidency. michelle and obama were going to take a safari and there would have to be a sniper team. when t.r. went to africa he carried his own gun and protected himself from a lot of animals. in fact the animals need protection from him. bill: 14 limousines, 3 trucks loaded with bulletproof glass to cover the windows of the hotel where the first family is staying. >> this is bigger than barack obama. if people are concerned about this they have to look at the travel of across net secretaries when they go overseas. bill: you set the example. you show people what you are doing and say this is how we are cutting back. can you give us one example how the white house has cut back since sequestration has cut back? >> they cut